The suggestion of rushing the program to fit in the Canadian order is a concern. I still believe that the South Korean bid was the better one in missile launch platform and available manufacturing space. I look at the German bid and smell a boondoggle.
It's always good to maintain concern and skepticism in the early stages of a major projectlike this. Being possible is not a replacement of reassurance, especially when everything must come together.
With a program this complex there’s certainly no shortage of things to be concerned about. We’ve made our bet and would be wise to manage our delivery expectations accordingly. As this is a new untested design there will be bumps along the way and rushing things at the expense of quality control is the wrong path. As Kevin has suggested many potential pitfalls ahead that would require near flawless execution to meet the proposed schedule. Given the choice I would prefer delayed deliveries to ensure quality and design are spot on rather than speed. In the end, my hope is that TKMS selection will prove to be the right one reaping enormous benefits driven by the joint fleet concept unlocking huge operational upside (weapons, crews, tactics, etc). Let’s not forget…there’s alot that go can right too when you have trusted committed partners. Yeah. That’s what I’m going with.
I think you left out some important factors, like the training of enough welders, fitters and assemblers then expecting them to work as fast and as accurately as the existing lines where they have extremely experienced people in those positions adding to that adding different companies regardless of copying production design will be run by different management and may not be as experienced or as efficient in their duties for getting supply and product moving smoothly and in time. This doesn't even mention the parts, engines, batteries and other required systems that may become bottle necked with such a massive increase in builds at once, also causing large delays. As much as they assure us about plans.. I think they are overestimating how well those plans will work to win this competition. They'd almost have to clone their workers and management along with their suppliers etc.. to get it to work to that perfection. Just saying... I still have my doubts about what their promises are based on.
I mean, There is a lot we could go inti about where issues might arise in the plans. Supply Chain remains the biggest roadblock, critifal parts, engines, subsystems. That's coming at the worst time because there is that immediate crunch right now up until 2030s. Past that im less worried if they'll have the ecosystem available.
Part of why I mentioned its technically possible, if everything works out. The pathway is there, but it requires everything to go perfect, and for things to not run into significant roadblocks along the way. Part of the big appeal to Canadian Industry is trying to eventually create an alternative supply to help alleviate some of those issues (although the funny this is certain criticals like batteries will be Canadian-exclusive as I know)
We could probably go several thousand words into it if we wanted, maybe we will but I am admittedly not gonna do it tonight lol, not for a note. Im too burnt to really deep dive it today, need to save energy for the Q&A tomorrow!
I look forward to hearing more about how Marmen fits into the supply chain with them partnering to produce submarine sections and complex assemblies in Trois-Rivières, Quebec.
Seems like an opportunity to outsource some production to speed timelines while also supporting Canadian industry.
When you mentioned Hanwha you forgot to mentioned KS-III Batch 2 (1 boat already in the water, 2 more under/entering construction), then there is the KS-III Batch 3 boats which is supposed to be a new larger, stealthier boat. The KS-IV is a smaller sub (2000 ton) range to replace the older KS-III and KS-III subs.
As for TKMS, the day it's chosen the German Defence Minister is stating we could see conflict with Russia by 2029!
The suggestion of rushing the program to fit in the Canadian order is a concern. I still believe that the South Korean bid was the better one in missile launch platform and available manufacturing space. I look at the German bid and smell a boondoggle.
It's always good to maintain concern and skepticism in the early stages of a major projectlike this. Being possible is not a replacement of reassurance, especially when everything must come together.
With a program this complex there’s certainly no shortage of things to be concerned about. We’ve made our bet and would be wise to manage our delivery expectations accordingly. As this is a new untested design there will be bumps along the way and rushing things at the expense of quality control is the wrong path. As Kevin has suggested many potential pitfalls ahead that would require near flawless execution to meet the proposed schedule. Given the choice I would prefer delayed deliveries to ensure quality and design are spot on rather than speed. In the end, my hope is that TKMS selection will prove to be the right one reaping enormous benefits driven by the joint fleet concept unlocking huge operational upside (weapons, crews, tactics, etc). Let’s not forget…there’s alot that go can right too when you have trusted committed partners. Yeah. That’s what I’m going with.
I think you left out some important factors, like the training of enough welders, fitters and assemblers then expecting them to work as fast and as accurately as the existing lines where they have extremely experienced people in those positions adding to that adding different companies regardless of copying production design will be run by different management and may not be as experienced or as efficient in their duties for getting supply and product moving smoothly and in time. This doesn't even mention the parts, engines, batteries and other required systems that may become bottle necked with such a massive increase in builds at once, also causing large delays. As much as they assure us about plans.. I think they are overestimating how well those plans will work to win this competition. They'd almost have to clone their workers and management along with their suppliers etc.. to get it to work to that perfection. Just saying... I still have my doubts about what their promises are based on.
I mean, There is a lot we could go inti about where issues might arise in the plans. Supply Chain remains the biggest roadblock, critifal parts, engines, subsystems. That's coming at the worst time because there is that immediate crunch right now up until 2030s. Past that im less worried if they'll have the ecosystem available.
Part of why I mentioned its technically possible, if everything works out. The pathway is there, but it requires everything to go perfect, and for things to not run into significant roadblocks along the way. Part of the big appeal to Canadian Industry is trying to eventually create an alternative supply to help alleviate some of those issues (although the funny this is certain criticals like batteries will be Canadian-exclusive as I know)
We could probably go several thousand words into it if we wanted, maybe we will but I am admittedly not gonna do it tonight lol, not for a note. Im too burnt to really deep dive it today, need to save energy for the Q&A tomorrow!
I look forward to hearing more about how Marmen fits into the supply chain with them partnering to produce submarine sections and complex assemblies in Trois-Rivières, Quebec.
Seems like an opportunity to outsource some production to speed timelines while also supporting Canadian industry.
When you mentioned Hanwha you forgot to mentioned KS-III Batch 2 (1 boat already in the water, 2 more under/entering construction), then there is the KS-III Batch 3 boats which is supposed to be a new larger, stealthier boat. The KS-IV is a smaller sub (2000 ton) range to replace the older KS-III and KS-III subs.
As for TKMS, the day it's chosen the German Defence Minister is stating we could see conflict with Russia by 2029!
I have serious doubts as to Germany meeting the timelines and also producing spare parts for these new subs.