Sure... magnified optics make sense on the Full Spectrum version. But for the 11.6” General Service version issued to people who really just need a personal defence weapon or who are primarily doing CQB, a red dot makes far more sense.
I’m confused as to which tasks you think the FS rifle will do that the GS rifle won’t do? There are folks all over the battlefield who currently use C8s with C79s and giving up their magnification seems like a pretty silly idea.
You’re missing the distinction between a rifle’s theoretical capability and its intended employment. Those are not the same thing. The average GS user is not going to benefit enough from magnification to justify the added complexity and training burden of an LPVO, especially if they only requalify once a year.
Heavily disagree, your average GS user has been using a C8 with a C79. We did that for a reason (instead of buying more 522s or EXPS’s). This is the classic case of a guy using a red dot on a white IPSC at 300m and not realizing that a military optic is an observation tool. A soldier needs to PID that target in the prone wearing camouflage at the effective range, not just shoot.
The muzzle velocity out an 11.5 with a suppressor and the new ammo will be almost identical to the old ammo out of a 14.5.
Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. You’re looking at this through a very Army, open terrain lens and assuming that applies to everyone. That absolutely fits some GS users, but not all of them. An RCAF aircrew needing a short PDW, or a sailor doing upper deck security in port with likely engagement distances under 100 m, does not need the same optic setup as someone scanning targets at distance. Different roles, different requirements. It would just be nice if there was an alternative to the LPVO where appropriate.
Interesting. Wonder if they will be machining the the scope bodies and grinding lenses domestically or just importing parts and assembling in Canada.
Is it this LVPO for both the GS and FS platforms? Seems like a simple red dot would be a better fit for the GS variant intended for mass issue.
We’ve used magnified optics in Canada on the C8 for over 20 years. Especially with an LPVO I don’t need the need for a red dot as a primary optic.
Sure... magnified optics make sense on the Full Spectrum version. But for the 11.6” General Service version issued to people who really just need a personal defence weapon or who are primarily doing CQB, a red dot makes far more sense.
I’m confused as to which tasks you think the FS rifle will do that the GS rifle won’t do? There are folks all over the battlefield who currently use C8s with C79s and giving up their magnification seems like a pretty silly idea.
You’re missing the distinction between a rifle’s theoretical capability and its intended employment. Those are not the same thing. The average GS user is not going to benefit enough from magnification to justify the added complexity and training burden of an LPVO, especially if they only requalify once a year.
Heavily disagree, your average GS user has been using a C8 with a C79. We did that for a reason (instead of buying more 522s or EXPS’s). This is the classic case of a guy using a red dot on a white IPSC at 300m and not realizing that a military optic is an observation tool. A soldier needs to PID that target in the prone wearing camouflage at the effective range, not just shoot.
The muzzle velocity out an 11.5 with a suppressor and the new ammo will be almost identical to the old ammo out of a 14.5.
Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. You’re looking at this through a very Army, open terrain lens and assuming that applies to everyone. That absolutely fits some GS users, but not all of them. An RCAF aircrew needing a short PDW, or a sailor doing upper deck security in port with likely engagement distances under 100 m, does not need the same optic setup as someone scanning targets at distance. Different roles, different requirements. It would just be nice if there was an alternative to the LPVO where appropriate.