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Thanks Noah! Just for fun, played with Chat GTP 4o for some options and costing. "Potential" total costs saving of $11B with a mixed fleet (below). Which could be spent on enhancing Support Enablers e.g. AAR/AEW&C/UAV/Space to fill critical coverage gaps, especially in remote and contested environments:

Note: MQ-28 Ghost Bat Loyal wingman could cover up Gripen short comings, enhance F-35 effectiveness and is "relatively cheap" to operate.

Comparison: 88 F-35A vs. Mixed Fighter Fleet

Fleet Option Acquisition Cost (B CAD) Lifecycle OPEX (B CAD) Total Cost (B CAD)

88 F-35A Lightning II $10.15 $35.59 $45.74

48 F-35A + 48 Gripen + 24 MQ-28 $10.38 $24.29 $34.67

Deployment Concepts: Mixed Fighter Fleet (2025-2055)

1. Mission Prioritization

Primary Roles F-35A (48) Gripen E/F (48) MQ-28 Ghost Bat (24)

Stealth Penetration/SEAD Primary Support (post-SEAD) Loyal wingman for SEAD/strike

Air Superiority Primary Secondary (defensive, NORAD) Force multiplier

NORAD QRA & Arctic Patrol Secondary (high-end QRA) Primary (day-to-day sovereignty ops) ISR/loyal wingman on patrol

NATO Expeditionary Ops Primary high threat Primary Loyal wingman for NATO

Persistent ISR & Recon Secondary (tactical ISR) Primary (persistent ISR)

Electronic Warfare Secondary (passive sensors/ESM) Primary (future EW pod)

2. Deployment Overview

Base/Region Primary Assets Operational Roles

Cold Lake, Alberta 24 F-35A + 8 MQ-28 NORAD QRA, Arctic penetration ops, NATO deployment staging, stealth strike readiness

Bagotville, Quebec 24 F-35A + 8 MQ-28 NORAD QRA, Atlantic approaches defense, NATO rapid response, NATO SEAD package deployment

Yellowknife, NWT (Forward) 24 Gripen E/F + 8 MQ-28 (Forward deploy) Arctic sovereignty patrols, high readiness QRA, distributed operations (highway/remote airstrips)

Goose Bay, Labrador 24 Gripen E/F + MQ-9B SkyGuardian (ISR) Maritime patrol, Arctic ISR, NATO training deployments

Trenton/Winnipeg (Support Ops) A330 MRTT, GlobalEye AEW&C, C2 nodes Aerial refueling (NORAD/NATO ops), AEW&C, command & control hub for Arctic/NATO missions

3. NORAD/Arctic Sovereignty Deployment Concept

Gripen E/F Focused

Primary NORAD QRA Aircraft

Distributed operations: short/rough runways, highway strips (in Yellowknife, Inuvik, Rankin Inlet)

Persistent patrols: Gripen’s low cost/hour allows routine Arctic coverage

MQ-28 Ghost Bat Support

UAV ISR patrols in unmanned-patrolled Arctic corridors

Partnered with Gripen E/F as loyal wingman to extend detection/strike envelope

SEAD decoys and electronic attack role in escalated conflict scenarios

4. NATO Expeditionary Deployment Concept

F-35A Focused

Primary role in high-threat NATO deployments (Baltics, Black Sea, Middle East)

12-16 F-35As deployed in expeditionary squadrons, supported by A330 MRTT and AEW&C

MQ-28s deployed alongside F-35s to serve as SEAD/strike wingmen, extending survivability

Gripen E/F handles Baltic Air Policing and air defense reinforcement, freeing F-35As for offensive missions

5. Force Readiness / Availability Planning

Fighter Type Total Fleet Available for Ops (75%) Deployment Model

F-35A Lightning II 48 36 24 active NORAD/NATO roles

Gripen E/F 48 36 24 NORAD/Arctic patrol, 12 NATO

MQ-28 Ghost Bat 24 18 12 paired with F-35, 6 paired with Gripen

6. Manned-Unmanned Teaming (MUM-T) Concept

F-35A & MQ-28 Ghost Bat

SEAD package: MQ-28s probe enemy air defenses, jam, and strike; F-35s control remotely

ISR support: MQ-28 provides forward ISR, relays data to F-35 and NORAD C2

Attritable missions: MQ-28 acts as high-risk sensor/shooter, sparing F-35 exposure

Gripen E/F & MQ-28 Ghost Bat

Gripens control loyal wingman MQ-28 for air defense, ISR, and extended patrol radius

MQ-28 offers persistent eyes-on while Gripens conserve fuel or cover multiple sectors

Distributed command: Ground C2 nodes or AEW&C can assume MQ-28 control in contested EM spectrum

8. Support Enablers Integration

Platform Role

A330 MRTT (2-4) Refueling for F-35A, Gripen E/F, MQ-28 ferry and deployments

Saab GlobalEye AEW&C (3-5) ISR, C2 over Arctic/NORAD, battle management

MQ-9B SkyGuardian (12-18) Persistent ISR over Arctic/NORAD boundaries

Arctic SATCOM (Telesat Lightspeed + Allies) Encrypted comms, MUM-T C2 across Arctic zones

Summary

This deployment concept leverages Canada’s geography and strategic partnerships:

✅ F-35A for NATO strike & SEAD

✅ Gripen E/F for Arctic/NORAD defense

✅ MQ-28 Ghost Bat as loyal wingman, ISR extension, and SEAD decoy

✅ Force enablers (AAR/AEW&C/UAV/Space) fill critical coverage gaps, especially in remote and contested environments.

Matthew Brown's avatar

Interesting perspective. I think saying it publicly was the very point of it. I hope that’s all it is. It’s shameful to think we would want to give our armed forces sub par equipment for political reasons.

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