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Black Cloud Six's avatar

Hi! Former senior Armour officer here!

Canada has messed around with tanks for decades. At one point we were getting rid of them altogether and weren’t to mention them again. The, in a blizzard of activity, we deployed the old Leopard C2s to Kandahar, followed by obtaining Leopard 2A6Ms from Germany especially for that mission. We eventually replaced those, assuming all we’d ever need was a squadron for deployment. The A4s we bought used from the Dutch as a “training fleet” - now being modernized.

Why this history? Because the Army has been afraid for decades to insist on *new*, proper tanks, so there’s always a manoeuvre. And why is that? Because politicians in Ottawa view tanks as an “offensive weapon” and somehow not in keeping with Canadian values. So the Army settles, manoeuvres, upgrades, and buys used junk.

So now we’re stuck. The Army’s revitalization plan cannot reach fruition without tanks - and many more of them than what we have. They’re needed to complete a tank regiment *for each brigade* in the first division. The argument that somehow indirect fire can replace a manoeuvre arm or that drones can do the same are based on a profound misreading of the lessons of the war in Ukraine. Tanks, along with infantry, remain the only means of taking and holding ground. There is no substitute.

This means 200ish tanks, including those for the Armour School. Are we ready for that? To many other countries, this is a tiny number. Poland is managing to sort this out very quickly; why can’t Canada? No more talk of rail guns, or hybrid drives. There are good tanks out there now. We need to get on with it.

ArmouredPhalanx's avatar

Whatever direction we choose, I think some consideration needs to be given to domestic production. Both the Leo 2 and K2 have seen license production outside of their home country, and there are already plans for the KF51 to follow suit. If things continue to heat up, replacements and parts are going to be even harder to come by. This is something that could hypothetically be paired with the MEDCAV selection to provide sufficient work to justify standing up new production lines. If we were smart about it.

Personally speaking, I don't even think the M1E3/A3 is worth consideration given the deterioration in international relations and domestic stability, and the US tendency withhold the best armour packages to foreign customers.

Also, small quibble, but none of the above tanks will have turbines... Plans for the M1A3 are to go diesel.

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