The Ph 1 and Ph 2 implications of LUV confuse me a but with SENLUV. It seems to be neither fish nor fowl. Not a direct milverado replacement but not something Id want to be rolling around in in a kinetic environment. I hope that when the RFPs drop its with the SENUP derived variants for ph 2 and not the SENLUV. Only...3ish years until we find out.🙄
It most likely depends on the end users requirements. Ford does offer the Super Duty to government customers in the US and export customers in Africa and the Middle East with no emissions systems.
The Navistar trucks they bought under MSVS MilCOTS have a full emissions system with DEF from what I've been told. And judging by how many of those trucks are parked at diesel repair shops around here from the local reserve units, I'm guessing they aren't very reliable...
DEF systems only work under ideal conditions, and work best when the drivers understand them, and are willing to make sure they get a chance to go into regen on a regular basis. Long idling, or short to medium trips in the cold never provide an opportunity to burn off the accumulated particulate matter, which leads to them plugging up, requiring manual regen procedures at a repair shop. If they wait too long, manual regen won't work, and it's a whole new $25-30K exhaust system that is required. I'll give you one guess how they get driven in the military...
There is an official commitment from the federal government to reduce emissions and energy consumption. Until recently, forcing the CAF to run DEF systems had no downside for your average federal bureaucrat, and numbers were numbers. With the increased attention to the effectiveness of the CAF, maybe future procurement can be a little more sensible, but only if someone with a voice shines some light on it. I have a feeling that any purchasesade tomorrow would be use existing standards, but I hope that in a year or two, reliability and maintenance costs might have a chance to be weighed heavier than tons of CO2 per anum.
That's disappointing. One of the few things trump has done that I think actually makes sense is making an exception for for diesel trucking in areas with cold weather. DEF is a chronic maintenance issue here in Saskatchewan, and the military is as clear cut a case as you could ask for of where it's an unacceptable trade off.
The Ph 1 and Ph 2 implications of LUV confuse me a but with SENLUV. It seems to be neither fish nor fowl. Not a direct milverado replacement but not something Id want to be rolling around in in a kinetic environment. I hope that when the RFPs drop its with the SENUP derived variants for ph 2 and not the SENLUV. Only...3ish years until we find out.🙄
I am still really curious if Roshel ships their products with or without DEF. Does anybody know?
It most likely depends on the end users requirements. Ford does offer the Super Duty to government customers in the US and export customers in Africa and the Middle East with no emissions systems.
Do you know what the CAF has done in the past with vehicles where there is an option either way?
The Navistar trucks they bought under MSVS MilCOTS have a full emissions system with DEF from what I've been told. And judging by how many of those trucks are parked at diesel repair shops around here from the local reserve units, I'm guessing they aren't very reliable...
DEF systems only work under ideal conditions, and work best when the drivers understand them, and are willing to make sure they get a chance to go into regen on a regular basis. Long idling, or short to medium trips in the cold never provide an opportunity to burn off the accumulated particulate matter, which leads to them plugging up, requiring manual regen procedures at a repair shop. If they wait too long, manual regen won't work, and it's a whole new $25-30K exhaust system that is required. I'll give you one guess how they get driven in the military...
Oh I'm well aware of the nightmare of DEF and plugged particulate filters... I have a class 1 and work in heavy construction, so I see it often.
I can't fathom why the DND would willingly buy any truck with any type of emissions system when they could easily order it without.
There is an official commitment from the federal government to reduce emissions and energy consumption. Until recently, forcing the CAF to run DEF systems had no downside for your average federal bureaucrat, and numbers were numbers. With the increased attention to the effectiveness of the CAF, maybe future procurement can be a little more sensible, but only if someone with a voice shines some light on it. I have a feeling that any purchasesade tomorrow would be use existing standards, but I hope that in a year or two, reliability and maintenance costs might have a chance to be weighed heavier than tons of CO2 per anum.
DEF on the Macks ive been told
That's disappointing. One of the few things trump has done that I think actually makes sense is making an exception for for diesel trucking in areas with cold weather. DEF is a chronic maintenance issue here in Saskatchewan, and the military is as clear cut a case as you could ask for of where it's an unacceptable trade off.
pretty sure it can be deleted when push comes to shove. Be curious what the Zetros come with