This is interesting. I have mixed feelings about the Ford Super Duty. We have around 400 in our fleet with the government of Saskatchewan, but they are almost all powered by the 6.2L gas engine, not the powerstroke diesel. The vacuum powered front hubs for auto 4x4 is an archaic system that everyone else abondoned 30 or 40 years ago for very good reasons, but hopefully Roshel is smart enough to junk that system for one of the many improved aftermarket oprions. A bigger concern is the rate at which they eat through front end components, both steering and suspension. I've had to replace them as little as 9 months after installation of a Ford part. I don't care if Ford has a 2 year warranty if it needs to be in the shop every 12 months for new ball joints and tie rods... Our conservation officers are the worse offenders, and I'm pretty sure that military use would be *far* harder.
Maybe someone with experience with current CAF milcots could enlighten me, do they come with or without DEF systems? I know US military milcots all come with DEF deletes, but I've never heard one way or the other for the CAF.
It makes sense to standardize between LUV Phase 1 and 2 if possible, we already have enough platforms to support and Roshel makes a good product.
As someone who grew up in the Oshawa area I have no love for GM. They shut the Oshawa plant down in 2019, they have closed the Brightdrop plant in Ingersoll and they have recently cut a shift in Oshawa due to Trumps pressure to bring more production to the US.
The Ford Assembly plant is in Foreign Minister Anita Anand’s riding / Roshel is located in Brampton Liberal MP Amandeep Sodhi’s riding while Brampton is a battleground area that is key for any party to win any election. The GM plant is in Conservative Rhonda Kirklands riding.
Some good insights there. They probably shouldn't be the deciding factor, but I'm realist enough to know it will certainly be a factor, maybe a major factor...
I grew up next to oshawa, and worked the first couple years as an apprentice mechanic there. GM has harmed itself more than anybody else over the years. I normally favour Chevy over Ford vehicles, but I have more respect for Ford as a company than Chevy these days. None of the domestics are without fault these days, but I feel like Ford probably deserves the win here.
I think a gas engine is a good idea, diesels are too easy to be wrecked by idiots revving the snot out of cold engines in cold weather, an expensive lesson we learned in our fleet.
I'm not so sure that lacking the powerstroke badge means they are gassers. They are going to delete any chrome badges as a part of mili-fying it. And it's far more likely they will go with the 6.2L gas than the 7.3L, which is overkill for 90% of what they would use it for. And I will admit the 6.2 long block and transmissions are pretty bullet proof, but the 2017 to 2020 sure had chronic problems that Ford didn't seem too interested in addressing. The coil backs corroding out and the fuel pumps failing to hold pressure when shut off, and then taking out starter from long crank. But unlike the Chevy's and Rams, the cam and crank never need to be touched. Closest they come is cracked valve springs, which is a cheap fix, if you diagnose it right the first time. And I've never seen a transmission pack up behind a 6.2, which is bloody impressive, considering we have conservation officers using them as pursuit vehicles intermittently, plus highway workers pulling trailers that max out the GCWR.
It's everything else attached to the truck that is suboptimal. But possibly adequate, with a few tweaks. I hope Roshel figures out the flaws, fixes them, and churn out some reliable milcots.
This is interesting. I have mixed feelings about the Ford Super Duty. We have around 400 in our fleet with the government of Saskatchewan, but they are almost all powered by the 6.2L gas engine, not the powerstroke diesel. The vacuum powered front hubs for auto 4x4 is an archaic system that everyone else abondoned 30 or 40 years ago for very good reasons, but hopefully Roshel is smart enough to junk that system for one of the many improved aftermarket oprions. A bigger concern is the rate at which they eat through front end components, both steering and suspension. I've had to replace them as little as 9 months after installation of a Ford part. I don't care if Ford has a 2 year warranty if it needs to be in the shop every 12 months for new ball joints and tie rods... Our conservation officers are the worse offenders, and I'm pretty sure that military use would be *far* harder.
Maybe someone with experience with current CAF milcots could enlighten me, do they come with or without DEF systems? I know US military milcots all come with DEF deletes, but I've never heard one way or the other for the CAF.
The 7.3 gasser has a great reputation.
A couple of thoughts:
It makes sense to standardize between LUV Phase 1 and 2 if possible, we already have enough platforms to support and Roshel makes a good product.
As someone who grew up in the Oshawa area I have no love for GM. They shut the Oshawa plant down in 2019, they have closed the Brightdrop plant in Ingersoll and they have recently cut a shift in Oshawa due to Trumps pressure to bring more production to the US.
The Ford Assembly plant is in Foreign Minister Anita Anand’s riding / Roshel is located in Brampton Liberal MP Amandeep Sodhi’s riding while Brampton is a battleground area that is key for any party to win any election. The GM plant is in Conservative Rhonda Kirklands riding.
Some good insights there. They probably shouldn't be the deciding factor, but I'm realist enough to know it will certainly be a factor, maybe a major factor...
I grew up next to oshawa, and worked the first couple years as an apprentice mechanic there. GM has harmed itself more than anybody else over the years. I normally favour Chevy over Ford vehicles, but I have more respect for Ford as a company than Chevy these days. None of the domestics are without fault these days, but I feel like Ford probably deserves the win here.
Looks to be a gasser too. Doesn’t look like or has the diesel badge on the door. Makes sense for payload.
I think a gas engine is a good idea, diesels are too easy to be wrecked by idiots revving the snot out of cold engines in cold weather, an expensive lesson we learned in our fleet.
I'm not so sure that lacking the powerstroke badge means they are gassers. They are going to delete any chrome badges as a part of mili-fying it. And it's far more likely they will go with the 6.2L gas than the 7.3L, which is overkill for 90% of what they would use it for. And I will admit the 6.2 long block and transmissions are pretty bullet proof, but the 2017 to 2020 sure had chronic problems that Ford didn't seem too interested in addressing. The coil backs corroding out and the fuel pumps failing to hold pressure when shut off, and then taking out starter from long crank. But unlike the Chevy's and Rams, the cam and crank never need to be touched. Closest they come is cracked valve springs, which is a cheap fix, if you diagnose it right the first time. And I've never seen a transmission pack up behind a 6.2, which is bloody impressive, considering we have conservation officers using them as pursuit vehicles intermittently, plus highway workers pulling trailers that max out the GCWR.
It's everything else attached to the truck that is suboptimal. But possibly adequate, with a few tweaks. I hope Roshel figures out the flaws, fixes them, and churn out some reliable milcots.