We still need a MCDV replacement. Something cheaper to run. The low end offering could do that if it doesnt grow too large. But we dont have the people for the ships. We have to bring the AORs online too
1000 percent agree. You can never be to dismissive of the value of a cheap, effective OPV. There's also lots of different angles to look at it from! I wrote about it a while ago
Two other candidates worthy of consideration. Saab's Luleå-class combat ship with reduced crew size and increased lethality, built for arctic waters and weather conditions. The other is Fincantieri's PPX OPV. Both are latest and greatest and are in process of being built for their respective navies.
Both are very interesting. If we were in the market for a foreign designs I would also say the Pohjanmaa-class, now that size limits are apparently not as big an issue.
Also I will warn that this article is very outdated lol. I recommend my most recent one.
More and more I look at the Pohjanmaa class, I think it would make the most capable existing design purchase. Take the base Pohjanmaa design and change out all components to Canadian that are practical. 330 CMS and same sensor package and armament as River class. Great commonality and good tier 2 platform to train on. Fits the length, weight, cost, armament and light ice capability that they say they are looking for. This would be a great choice and not force us to start from scratch on design.
Thank you! I consider that quite the endorsement! Maybe once I get through my backlog here, though lord knows I don't know what I'd even begin to write about. My poor writers anxiety 🤣
Lots of different options in terms of both commercial and military build standards, size, weapons/sensors, modularity (screams the CUBE), autonomy, reduced crew size etc......the proposed configurations would cover the Kingstons current roles, some of the CPFs roles and some we don't really do (i.e "amphibious raiding")......based on his remarks, might check a bunch of Topshee's spit balling..........might also fit into some proposed doctrine changes of the USN/USMC and RN/RM for combat in the littorals if we wanted to contribute?
Derek J Love, I had looked at that too and agree it has possibilities. I also like the Mogami which is similar. My initial thought after reading this and hearing Topshee speak on the subject of his wants was to have a Canadian designed and built Mogami-esque corvette that leveraged a lot of the components of the River class, just in a shorter more lighter armed vessel.
We still need a MCDV replacement. Something cheaper to run. The low end offering could do that if it doesnt grow too large. But we dont have the people for the ships. We have to bring the AORs online too
1000 percent agree. You can never be to dismissive of the value of a cheap, effective OPV. There's also lots of different angles to look at it from! I wrote about it a while ago
https://noahscornerofrandomstuff.substack.com/p/the-missing-support-fleet?r=95jhi
Two other candidates worthy of consideration. Saab's Luleå-class combat ship with reduced crew size and increased lethality, built for arctic waters and weather conditions. The other is Fincantieri's PPX OPV. Both are latest and greatest and are in process of being built for their respective navies.
Both are very interesting. If we were in the market for a foreign designs I would also say the Pohjanmaa-class, now that size limits are apparently not as big an issue.
Also I will warn that this article is very outdated lol. I recommend my most recent one.
https://noahscornerofrandomstuff.substack.com/p/an-update-on-cdc-new-cdc-wikibox?r=95jhi
More and more I look at the Pohjanmaa class, I think it would make the most capable existing design purchase. Take the base Pohjanmaa design and change out all components to Canadian that are practical. 330 CMS and same sensor package and armament as River class. Great commonality and good tier 2 platform to train on. Fits the length, weight, cost, armament and light ice capability that they say they are looking for. This would be a great choice and not force us to start from scratch on design.
You should write for the Canadian Naval Review, if youre interested! Your work is super informative and well done.
Thank you! I consider that quite the endorsement! Maybe once I get through my backlog here, though lord knows I don't know what I'd even begin to write about. My poor writers anxiety 🤣
Allow me to muddy the waters a little:
https://www.damen.com/vessels/defence-and-security/crossovers
Lots of different options in terms of both commercial and military build standards, size, weapons/sensors, modularity (screams the CUBE), autonomy, reduced crew size etc......the proposed configurations would cover the Kingstons current roles, some of the CPFs roles and some we don't really do (i.e "amphibious raiding")......based on his remarks, might check a bunch of Topshee's spit balling..........might also fit into some proposed doctrine changes of the USN/USMC and RN/RM for combat in the littorals if we wanted to contribute?
Derek J Love, I had looked at that too and agree it has possibilities. I also like the Mogami which is similar. My initial thought after reading this and hearing Topshee speak on the subject of his wants was to have a Canadian designed and built Mogami-esque corvette that leveraged a lot of the components of the River class, just in a shorter more lighter armed vessel.